[MassHistPres] Fee for HD Applications?

[Michael Roughan]

Krissy,

The momentum that allowed Hopkinton to increase its Demo Delay from 6
months to 18 months was driven by the threat of a developer tearing down
the Aaron Claflin Inn, where George Washington was reputed to have stayed.
While this example was not germane to the original establishment of the
demo bylaw, it demonstrates the public empathy that helped drive the
increase in delay.

For Carlisle, are there any ‘stories’ of lost or threatened historic
structures that you can identify to help champion the establishment of the
demo delay?

Having a compelling rationale for the initiative goes a long way to gain
resident support and subsequent approval.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Roughan
Chairman, Historical Commission

......Mike

Michael Roughan
Chairman, Historical Commission

On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 11:26 PM krissy o'shea <krissyoshea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The Historical Commission of Carlisle is proposing a Demolition Bylaw - to
> be voted on at Fall Town Meeting.  The HC has been working on crafting the
> bylaw and running outreach to Town Boards and the larger community for the
> better part of two years.
>
> Curious if anyone has thoughts/guidance on what helped with successful
> passage of the bylaw in their town?
>
> Krissy O'Shea
> Carlisle Historical Commission
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 8:27 AM rcsmitharch--- via MassHistPres <
> masshistpres at cs.umb.edu> wrote:
>
>> This is how we define demolition in the Swampscott demo delay bylaw:
>>
>>
>>
>> DEMOLITION - Any act of pulling down, destroying, removing, dismantling
>> or razing a building or any part thereof*,* including but not
>> necessarily limited to commencing the work of total or substantial
>> destruction with the intent of completion of the same. Demolition shall
>> also include significantly altering the shape of the roof, or removal of
>> significantly integral components of the building or structure such as a
>> turret.  For purposes of this section, the term “demolition” shall not
>> include the ordinary maintenance or repair of any building or structure,
>> interior renovations, or removal or demolition of any ancillary portion of
>> a structure such as porches, decks, windows, etc…provided that in the
>> instance of demolition of said ancillary portions for the purpose of repair
>> or replacement, said repair or replacement shall be done using like-kind or
>> better materials  which determination shall be made by the Inspector of
>> Buildings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Smith
>>
>> Swampscott Historic District Commission
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Michael Roughan <historychair at hopkintonma.gov>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2026 9:25 AM
>> *To:* Richard Smith <rcsmitharch at verizon.net>
>> *Cc:* Erica Swallow <president at springfieldpreservation.org>; Ellen
>> McGrath <ellen_mcgrath at yahoo.com>; Board Member Bob McCarroll <
>> bobmccarroll at verizon.net>; masshistpres at cs.umb.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [MassHistPres] Fee for HD Applications?
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have the same policies in Hopkinton with no fee in either LHD nor for
>> the Historical Commission.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m curious how Swampscott defines “partial demolition”? In Hopkinton’s
>> we restrict it to any modifications to the building’s structure but exclude
>> exterior envelope under the premise that those renovations are “restorable”
>> at some future date.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ......Mike
>>
>> Michael Roughan
>> Chairman, Historical Commission
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 8:18 AM Richard Smith via MassHistPres <
>> masshistpres at cs.umb.edu> wrote:
>>
>> In Swampscott we do not charge for applications.  The Swampscott Historic
>> District Commission reviews applications for exterior work within the
>> historic district, and the Swampscott Historical Commission reviews
>> applications involving partial or total demolition for buildings over 75
>> years old outside the district.  Neither charges fees for this.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Smith
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2026, at 2:17 PM, Erica Swallow via MassHistPres <
>> masshistpres at cs.umb.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Springfield, MA is trying to change its Historic District Ordinance to
>> levy an undetermined fee against the applicant once a property is accepted
>> for a study. The language in the draft ordinance changes is:
>>
>>
>>
>> "*Report.* Once the Commission has determined such building, group of
>> buildings, or site has
>>
>> historic significance, then the Commission, or a consultant selected by
>> the Commission, shall
>>
>> draft and submit all required reports for designation in accordance with
>> the Historic Districts
>>
>> Act. The cost and expense to the Commission for the preparation and
>> submission of all such
>>
>> reports shall be levied against the applicant. The Commission shall
>> discuss the cost estimate with
>>
>> the applicant seeking the creation of the district prior to drafting the
>> report to ensure that the
>>
>> applicant wishes to cover the expenditure."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Springfield Historical Commission has approved the changes (this
>> among others which weaken historic protections in the city), but it hasn't
>> been seen by City Council yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> The fee in this case is undetermined and could be thousands of dollars,
>> depending on the proposed district size. Imagine if our current largest
>> districts (my own with 800+ houses in it) were paid for by the applicant
>> (residents). That would have been cost prohibitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm disturbed by the failure of our historical commission to do its job:
>> protecting historic resources. Instead, it's doing the bidding of the
>> economic development office wherein the commission sits, and making it more
>> difficult to protect historic structures.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Erica
>>
>>
>>
>> *Erica Swallow*
>>
>> *President*
>>
>> Springfield Preservation Trust
>>
>> president at springfieldpreservation.org
>>
>> (413) 314-3383
>>
>> *springfieldpreservation.org <https://springfieldpreservation.org/>*
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/PreserveSpringfield>
>>
>> <https://www.instagram.com/springfieldpreservation/>
>>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericaswallow/>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* MassHistPres <masshistpres-bounces at cs.umb.edu> on behalf of
>> Nancy Robbins via MassHistPres <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2026 4:07 PM
>> *To:* masshistpres at cs.umb.edu <masshistpres at cs.umb.edu>
>> *Cc:* McGrath Ellen <ellen_mcgrath at yahoo.com>
>> *Subject:* [MassHistPres] Fee for HD Applications?
>>
>>
>>
>> How many towns out there charge an Application fee to obtain a
>> Certificate and what is the amount?  If a project requires more than one
>> Application do you charge multiple fees?  Each one the same?  Where does
>> the money from the fees go?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do any towns request town funding or use Application fees to have
>> continuing education or educational programs related to Historic
>> Preservation?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nancy Robbins FedericiCMP, CMM
>>
>> Independent Meeting Planner
>>
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>>
>> nancyrobbins2 at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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